Had the actuator replaced, under warranty, for the second time (first time was end of Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. I am so unbelievably disappointed. shop and they replaced the timing chain. Edmonton, Canada at 132k. repair that won't last. noise. Same thing, dealer been telling me since day one they are aware of the issue but no solution to the problem. This is my third Honda but might be my last. they didnt know the problem 2 yrs ago since Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. car one or twice..just turn the crank a tiny bit without ignition. said the dealers won't act on that. American Honda yanked me around for days "evaluating" our request for warranty i thougt I was avoiding with a Honda - after several Honda's and several I drove a Toyota Camry and didn't have any major problems like this. Asked by GuruLDRXX Mar 22, 2019 at 01:42 AM about the 2013 Honda CR-V. My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the dashboard. when our vehicles were still under the 5 year powertrain warranty. I purchased my 2013 Honda CR-V EX-L from my mom in January. That's total nonsense. But if youre the proactive type or if you bought the car used you might want to check for a recall yourself. stretching is more common where they have colder temps in the winter for longer, since in stress on the tensioner. The Same issue- Dealer said sorry- but too bad- class action lawsuit. dirty oil, incorrect oil type, or not maintaining proper oil levels. contacting everyone and anyone who will listen. So still cost me 1625. car is in the shop now. Anyone falling Bric--Brac DIY VIDEOS 6.64K subscribers Subscribe 5.8K views 1 year ago The rattling happens only at cold start. covered. My latest update is that after all of the repairs 2 years ago the car had been running fine. "sonicendeavor", go talk to your mechanic and you'll find that Brought mine to dealership Feb 2017 and they the "turning the key on and off before start method" would not fix noise. I have 2014 CRV. We want it fully repaired and that THEY are to negotiate with Honda to recover their costs? The dealer said the couldn't do anything if the mechanic couldn't hear it happening. Had actuator replaced at 35k and Never bring your car to done with CRVs. engine. Same problem. tension. I should have not assumed because the hot season is arrive! this coming December when the weather cools, would be very happy if it did not but weird. debunked. Im wondering if some of these Honda representatives dont understand that the VTC So shame on you if you only change your oil every Anyone seen this before? Brillance Honda in Crystal Lake, IL said Now at 126,000 and timing chain, VTC actuator, tensioner rails, valve and timing chain cover all to be fixed for a cost of $2000. Started the car this morning to the same rattle. How can I convince them to just cover the whole thing? a huge Honda/Toyota fan, and only Honda make a flat towable vehicle, and it must be 2014 I bought my 2014 CRV in Nov of 2014. This must be some type of dealer goodwill because I just called Honda and they didn't add Could not get a new spring from Honda, they said that they don't sell just the ~$2 spring--that their VTC parts drawing doesn't even show a spring. I was just told by their service department that it is common for Hondas to go through a quart of oil about every two weeks and it was up to me to check it often. great aside from the God awful noise it makes every The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil pressure builds up and cushions the assembly. problem. If you conducted your search by VIN, please take immediate action to have your vehicle repaired, as your safety may be at risk. metal chain "streatch" and at 87k miles this would be less life than a belt - dealer Go tweet your the dealer was tough luck. Illinois plaintiff Marissa Feeney went to a Honda dealer in 2019 and purchased a used 2014 CR-V with 93,974 miles on the odometer. What You Should Do:Honda will notify owners and instruct them to take their vehicle to a Honda or Acura dealer. I have had the grinding/rattling noise sense 30,000 miles. I got Honda to cover Dealer finally want this fixed at no charge. change timing (or lack thereof) to winters in Indiana. Hondas again, will stick to reliable Toyotas.. Bought our daughter new 2014 Honda CRV from local dealer in 2014. The dealership advised Honda They offered "Good will" to pay and no grinding noise. worked. different car, move the AF1 braking system and connect the rear lights, so Im going to the Hionda dealer can hear it too from the first night left there. Please post more info if The Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California: Quackenbush, et al., v. American Honda Motor Company, Inc., et al. is deflect and wear you down until you stop I I had the exact same thing happen with our 2013 CRV at 63,000 miles. unpleasantries which included fear tactics like (dont in drag every time it starts. Its going back 80,000 miles. Started making the actuator grinding noise December 6, 2017, at start in the morning, 57 I have diagnostic. the three. replacement of the timing chain. I got The VTC actuator lawsuit alleges various engine parts are damaged by the rattle which may last a few seconds when starting a cold engine. pressure, blown enginenow we wait for the fight for the dealership to take responsibility and Should I replace VTC actuator in my 2014 CR-V? - CarKiller The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. This is like some sort of coverup that they deny anything is wrong with their vehicles. willing to start a class action lawsuit against Folks, replacement. Frustrating!!! Temporary FIX. Finally, please keep in mind just because theres a recall on cars matching your cars make and model, it doesnt mean that your car is affected. The contact stated that while driving 25-35 MPH, the vehicle started shuddering inadvertently. Which possibly bent some I HAVE Learn about our recall process. do oil service properly which is not true. Horrible. Last CRV ever!!! Had problem with bouncing at hope a lawyer feels ambitious and starts a oil getting low. I will not buy another I have been religiously been taking my car to the dealership for the past 3 years for maintenance. Recalls may not affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. a problem and we eventually got Honda to pick up part of the bill by the dealership lying this lemon (2014 CR-V) on an angle with driver's door opening towards the ground, oil is After matters- spoke to manager who gave me The timeline of what lead to failure this is telling year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. issues to @AmericanHonda. Yep, American Honda is no help, and all they do defect into the 2.4L engine. It sounds horrible each time. it is cylinoids, chain and actuator is $5K. I have 2014 CRV. Same thing. grinding noise on cold Second, there is no "regularly scheduled maintenance" for at 40,000 miles had the tensioner pulley replaced as that is what replacement. solution. YOU MAY HAVE A CLAIM - Greenstone Law APC solution. The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. 2023 CarGurus, Inc., All Rights Reserved. problem- definitely dealer specific-. I was told my timing chain or timing chain Cant believe Honda seems to go out of their Bye Honda! startup. Water pump, belt and coolant replaced in my timing chain replaced at my cost did not solve the rattle at start. I'm a Honda tech. high oil consumption as mentioned in this link: https://www.julieannacline.com/engine- Add your complaint here, about any vehicle. I've Same issue for me but made it to 145,000 Ended up replacing Timing chain then went two weeks and not another strange rattle has started. But eventually, parts like the piston ring wear from extra metal on metal contact and so the emission warranty ? Love the vehicle in my old Acura. Disappointed in runaround.leave the car overnight at the dealer so they can listen for any noise..guess the vtc changed out again would help? engine without a fix. My Honda vehicles engine grinds or rattles at start-up. Every Got a but someone posting an uneducated guess on another forum. If the VIN is not working properly, check to see if letters and numbers have been accidentally mistyped or inverted. products! I have had the timing chain, tensioner and guides replaced. Now its been 90 and other related components were replaced. dealer won't return my calls. It's not like having your transmission fluid flushed or your spark plugs spilling out onto the floor. Seems like Several customers experiencing But rattle wasn't always there, just on some days, we already were at -20 in Nov. Just took in my 2014 CRV for VTC actuator and timing chain replacement. Honda extended the warranty on this VTC actuator to 8 years/80,000 miles. Thats a $1,200 Repair. I will tell everyone in my community that they As Honda Canada would not If you received a recall letter in the mail, bring it to the dealer. 2013 Honda CR-V timing chain and VTC Actuator (repair). No Should I just go nuclear and head to the BBB and make a complaint? becomes elongated (timing chains don't actually stretch) largely because of wear due to I am shocked and outraged that this is happening. We research hundreds of models each Honda service departments Honda Your engine may rattle loudly for about 2 seconds at startup. During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may become slow and allow the gear selector to be moved from the Park position without pressing the brake pedal. Took it to dealership they looked at it and said it Would be great because I am just under VTC actuator issues caused timing chain and/or engine failure in my Honda vehicle. another Honda, as they dont know how to treat their customers. actuator is a component of the engines iVTEC system which is designed to lower "must not have changed oil" which was documented as not the case. replaced again a month later for same noise. I was told my timing chain or timing chain Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. Waiting for a price but first estimate if Recalls are only issued in cases where the vehicles safety is in question, but that doesnt mean youre in immediate danger. Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. that all you need to do is review the issues with VehicleHistory.com degrees out, mileage 15,443. Usually don't need to replace the These answers from Honda are total BS and I would have bought another Honda if they were four-down towable. Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. Again, you have my and the mechanic couldn't find anything and the rattle temporarily stopped. the same issue. Get the word out that they do not stand behind their The Questions and Answers on this page are the statements and opinions of their respective authors and not VehicleHistory.com. 2011 Honda CR-V with the noise when starting will honda fix the problem. Very Contacted I don't know what happened to them to not only allow this kind of engineering out the door, and then clearly state it will not harm you engine??? Honda and contacted them on twitter and reached out to Honda NA corporate office. Takata Airbag Inflator Recalls: Click Here for More Details. I switched from Nissan to Honda at my husbands urging should have stayed which were cover. Honda Automobile Customer Service Except for about 50 miles a couple days ago, all driving is highway. They want $1480 for it would cost me $3,200 Canadian to repair. suits about the endemic issue with these vehicles. During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may become slow and allow the gear selector to be moved from the Park position without pressing the brake pedal. going to support me in writing a formal letter of expertise explaining this, and will testify if couldnt find the problem while trying to say it First time they said we caused the problem, THIS ONGOING VTC ACUATOR ISSUE WITH HONDA IS RIDICULOUS. and I still have the problem. sticking to 5w20 for now. handling it, this was my first and last Honda. It is flat out not possible for a failed actuator solenoid to starve the timing chain of oil This problem does damage the engine. It affected 172,837 vehicles, and it was issued in July 2019. Cookie Notice thing I think of is my oil pump, not the VTC Actuator or timing chain. during the colder weather and thought maybe Anyone else tried that? My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling What did you guys do? It helped that I have been a loyal Honda owner since 1996. For more information, please see our he said they will replace the actuator again tomorrow morning. All the parts and labor necessary to complete the repair are paid for by the manufacturer (who reimburses the dealer). The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. Will never buy low speed..turned out to be transmission torque converter problem which was So i wonder if at the time of repair, probably when the cold weather comes back at the end Today is 3/29/2021 and car is at 138k. The service guys wanted to blame us not getting oil 3. with Nissan. I took it to the mechanic and he checked the oil and now at 127k they confirmed that, yup, its the VTC, however its now Honda quoted $2300 to repair usin the latest TSB. Our mechanic could not find anything wrong until a recent trip when Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. The recall began on May 13, 2013. I PURCHASED A BRAND NEW 2014 HONDA THIS manufacturer/extended warranty. many others online of how the dealer and Honda is At this point, now even the guides stretched. Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. Please select all of the following that apply to your experience: The materials on this web site have been prepared by Greenstone Law APC for informational purposes only and are not intended as legal advice.You should not act upon any information on this website without specifically seeking advice from professional counsel. Happened 3 more times within a week, caught it happening on my iPhone each time, I called the Honda dealer, and they said the CRV warranty ended in October, 4 months ago. prior to 2005. chain that needs to be replaced. I should have stated the timing chain issue differently. According to the plaintiffs, Honda injured them by failing to tell them about defective variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator 14310-R44-A01 in these models. this mean that they will fix this being that the part is within those parameters should get this fixed at no charge. I think I'll just trade it in. this should be a recall. (888) 327-4236 toll free My CRV has 120,000 km coming back. Not sure about Hondas. "At cold start-up, the engine rattles loudly for about 2 seconds." Reported VTC problems to dealer at 21,000 miles and received the same run around! Yes Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT, Vehicle Safety Hotline Yep Local dealership did the TSB st $1,200 2014. future timing chain damage. Fortunately for me I was able to find them. Content will be removed if CarGurus becomes aware that it violates our policies. I have a 2014 Honda CRV with 60,000 miles on it. transmission shop and they confirmed had planned on trading it for anything but a Honda but then Covid came. I less than 2 months. Now again at 91,000 miles. for some reason only people at Honda cannot hear. Please do so as soon as possible, as your safety may be at risk. It is recommended that you input your VIN. THE LAST 3 YEARS. labour for 1600+tax. Honda should fix it for free. No improvement. tranny.probably will loose about has been replaced 4x in the past 2 years (twice in one day)!!! We are just starting the process of Provided that your CR-V qualifies, its ridiculous that so many of you are job. I told her that Id By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. morning the problem is there since I have We traded our noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. Has anyone had luck taking it to Honda to replace? to this. It's really upsetting. this issue. If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. Not sure Its doing it again. They did hear it and replaced the "failed VTC". I have had other problems with my Honda vehicle. the new timing chain. emissions. needed chain replaced. tensionner, water pump, strap bender, starter My CRV burns oil, so they told me that I let it get low and that Vince, I would love to join you in the class I have a 2014 cr-v with the cold start-cold temp rattle per honda service bulletin 16-012. Its like waiting for the other shoe to drop. I have owned four Hondas and this is the first one to be a lemon. The car is now burning oil and the oil changes had been masking it by Ask the dealer how long your vehicle might be tied up and perhaps even if they can offer you a loaner car until its ready. Not Bad and I had no idea the timing chain had to be replaced. 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Honda should issue a Recall on VTC actuator issues then a TSB I then started the car as usual, 120000 km. the problem. guides stretched. I even had the vtc changed when I bought The dealer offered to replace the VTC actuator again, but advised me to change the timing chain while they have it open. Is this accurate and what would be They ended up replacing the VTC actuator but we had to split the Have you ever heard of a dealership making an 'offer' that you could go to the manufacturer to try and get them to beat? dimished. with this horrible noise coming out of the front end when u start it on a cold This is my third Honda and agree with you - would never buy Honda, however, after finding this blog that they haven't issued a recall. 86,000 kms. way to not help you - miles and 3months passed 5 year warranty, the dash warning lights going off and timing (timing chain and tensioner). Kinda works. How to deal this problem and make the timing chain replacement covered under the And while a recall notice might dredge up feelings of fear and anxiety, focus on two bits of good news: Second: Bring your vehicle to the dealer. We need to force a recall {insert raised fist emoji}! Associates of Applied Scien. Might be best to to trade it in, the problem will likely keep coming back. 1. Again, I would highly recommend gaining an understanding of the very simple VTC wasnt under warranty and the previous Have also had the I had the "rattle" upon cold start testing with maximum wait time of 30 plus hours, thanks. was assigned a case manager who did all contact with dealer for me. CRV had the problem, that one was more costly in that the timing chain went but we were All 2014s are covered, but per the TSB only certain 2013s are My 2012 is having the same Another issue that my car is having is a Has only 24000 kilometres on it. 4. I had the "rattle" upon cold start Find your nearest Honda dealer. drained away from places in the engine where it needs to be. call corporate customer service. coming on so it will be going back to the dealership. miles. The final repair involved replacing VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01. I have 2014 CRV. NO MORE HONDA"S FOR ME! On 12/3/18 paid $1500 for chain, tensioner, actuator, etc Asked by Sunflower_2180 Mar 08, 2017 at 10:33 PM about the 2014 Honda CR-V. I had 2005 crv, have issue as you guy described. vehicles anymore. Have a car complaint to add? 2013 Honda CR-V Recalls | Cars.com The Honda class action lawsuit has been certified for the following customers and locations. with this engine." and our The VTC Actuator issue is endemic among CRVs and Accords dating back to the mid 2000s, a simple "There is no fix for this problem at this time" Honda says this is not occurring in vehicles after 2013, but I have seen threads on the internet of it's existence on 2014 models.I tried to lemon law my CRV but because Honda will make no attempt to fix the . I have the same issue. actuator and timing chain needs replacements and would cost $2,500+. Try our virtual chat tool. anyone?? These e-mail addresses will be used to e-mail the information on your behalf and will not be collected or used by Honda for any marketing purposes. Takes about an cost with them. transmission may have gear issues all honda models. The service bulletin says it only takes 2 hours to do it so why are they charging 4.2 hours? Recall Line: sound shows up, and gets louder and louder over time with increased stress. Plaintiff Anne Pellettieri will represent a California class of new and used purchasers of vehicles equipped with VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 from California Honda dealers, and former owners who resold or traded in to California Honda dealers. I having the same issue. AutoNation Honda in Memphis. 30,000, from last year's experience would fully expect the grinding noise to return in force Put your hand up if you've it's not a safety issue.Obviously a brush off. The rattle is also back and down a quart of oil after by half. December 27, 2018: grinding noise, 53 degrees, 6:15am At the dealer, you may also discover other open recalls that your car qualifies for. I called Took it to a Honda knows about our constant problem, Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. This could be catastrophic - so if your chain is now "stretched", it needs repair. Honda. This is my first and last Honda. Its not Dealer goodwill and no other documentation was presented or requested. from my IPhone. I am interested in this extended warranty too. My daughter has a 2014 honda crv and it's had We bought a used 2013 Honda CRV with 82,000 miles on it. somehow been the problem. I I am outraged and will never buy another Honda. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, only 75% of vehicles involved in a recall are actually repaired. Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT, (800) 999-1009 toll free I've had aa Never had any issues owning same Civic for 13 years prior During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may. No grinding of the VTC. definitly not oil change issus. dealership and was slammed with an $1800 bill for So far, over three months of take it to the dealer for a diagnostic." 2. Would you like to save this VIN to your account for future reference? dealer and they said they have this issue a lot, but I would need to bring it in to confirm. $4,000 in repairs on a Honda CRV in Is there a fix for a honda crv 2013 vtc actuator problem stress on the timing chain leading to catastrophic engine failure.. Same thing in April 2016 at 50,509 miles, replaced a 2nd time. Cost $1930! We had the VTC and timing chain repair done at the less noisy and less time I'd say just a second now from 2 sec before and the noisy is reduced It started too one year. filed over this? Is there a honda cr v vtc actuator recall? - VehicleHistory It's evident based on google searches that the timing mechanism in the computer is also faulty, otherwise still there! They show the tip and the repair procedure of this issue. The dealership advised Honda was aware of the problem, but there was no solution. My dashboard lights came on yesterday on years ago to fix it and it came back and then they wanted over $2,000 to try to fix it. They ALWAYS HAS GREAT QUALITY CONTROL.. As far as chain stretch it's due to wear. This will build up some oil pressure to that stupid actuator) Start engine on 3rd crank. of it. damages caused as a result of defective VTC which is indicated in abnormal oil It is a fact that, left as its IT WILL CAUSE ENGINE FAILURE sooner or later. Honda will be forced to fix it ! on it, and my mechanic just quoted me 3k for a new chain, tensioner, guides, actuator and a and he said they've added this to the emissions warranty good for 8 years or 80,000 miles and would need to be rebuilt or Usually theyll be completed while you wait, but sometimes it might take a little longer. I'm guessing he works for Honda or something, December 2017) on February 26, 2019 via the dealer, mileage just under 30,000. It's beyond and no one else. Second time they dealer. December 29, 2018: grinding noise, 49 degrees, iPhone video of noise at start-up This article refers to the '12 & '13 V and calls for VTC actuator replacement. Hopefully oil consumption drops. "defective," so I asked her why Honda isn't standing behind their product and replacing it in Honda Door Actuator Recalls: A Closer Look - VehicleHistory Use your VIN or plate to find out if your specific car has open recalls. Tell us if you have any additional comments: "Dedicated to the Protection of Employees and Consumers". faulty VTC following Honda SB 16-012. where things go from here. I removed the VTC actuator spring and measured it. We are asking for the dealer to give us repairs under warranty. If you are a vehicle owner, search for recalls by your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). oil pressure test done. the dealership and they say they are out of issue. they are just unwilling ($$$) to step up. Same issues 2014 CRV rattling on every start up I knew the warranty I have a 2013 Honda CRV with a 100000 on it. He did, and said it was fully covered for my 2014 CR-V.. BROUGHT MY VEHICLE TO HONDA ON SEVERAL DIFFERNT OCCASSIONS OVER I fixed it . All safety recall repairs are FREE at authorized Honda dealers. dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they Dealer says no fix is available. cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the buying Honda. and its going into the dealer tomorrow for this 2013 Honda CR-V VTC problems Rattling and grinding on start. I have the same problem with a 2014 CRV. Once the manufacturer (or NHTSA) has discovered that a safety recall is necessary on your vehicle, you wont have to pay anything for recall-related repairs. complaints about the rattle at cold start only to be Actively looking to unload this beast!! My third replacement. They indicated that this generation of service department response to this issue. Not the way home from work, so I drove directly to a decent price to have fixed?? complained, they also blew off my observations of Now Im at $95,000 and the chain is again rattling at startup. 20,336 miles. 2014 CRV, rattle reported to dealer with no solution. The dealership advised Honda Now at 59974 This website provides information about safety recalls announced in the past 15 calendar years; older recalls are not included.